The real measure of the soul: Philippe Sands talks to Ayelet Waldman about good and evil, family secrets, xenophobia and nationalism.

Does a man’s capacity for love and not his crimes constitute the real measure of his soul? Taking The Ratline as a starting point Ayelet Waldman (author, lawyer, and micro-dosing advocate) and Philippe Sands (human rights lawyer and author) will guide us through a moral maze as they discuss the gripping and disturbing story of a committed Nazi war criminal as masterfully recounted in the book. They will question whether we can learn anything from the past, and ask how dangerous the current rise in xenophobia and nationalism afflicting our society today is. Can we stand up to this before it is too late?

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